Généalogie de la famille de PRELLE de la NIEPPE

Adélaïde van Oudenaarde1180

Name
Adélaïde van Oudenaarde
Given names
Adélaïde
Birth about 1180 25
Birth of a brotherArnold van Oudenaarde
1180

Death of a maternal grandfatherEvrard III Radulf de Mortagne
March 7, 1190 (Age 10 years)

Death of a paternal grandfatherArnulf III van Oudenaarde
1198 (Age 18 years)

MarriageEnglebert IV d’ EnghienView this family
about 1200 (Age 20 years)

Birth of a daughter
#1
Mahaut d’ Enghien
about 1203 (Age 23 years)

Death of a fatherGiselbrecht van Oudenaarde
1212 (Age 32 years)

Birth of a granddaughter
#1
Peronne de Mortagne
before 1218 (Age 38 years)

Death of a daughterMahaut d’ Enghien
about 1218 (Age 38 years)

Death of a motherRichilde de Mortagne de Tournai
1219 (Age 39 years)

Death of a brotherArnold van Oudenaarde
1242 (Age 62 years)

Death of a husbandEnglebert IV d’ Enghien
February 25, 1250 (Age 70 years)

Deathyes

Family with parents - View this family
father
mother
Marriage:
twin brother
1 year
herself
Mother’s family with Walter III de Sotteghem - View this family
step-father
mother
Marriage:
half-sister
half-sister
Family with Englebert IV d’ Enghien - View this family
husband
herself
Marriage: about 1200
4 years
daughter
Englebert IV d’ Enghien + Aelis d’ Avesnes - View this family
husband
husband’s wife
Marriage: February 1205
11 months
step-son
step-son

Note
Birth source http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf Englebert III d'Enghien ´ ~1160 + 23/02/1244 (teste 03/1225) chevalier, seigneur d'Enghien ép. 1) ~1200 Ide (Adelaïde, Adelheide) d'Audenaerde ´ ~1185 (fille d'Arnould III ou de Gilbert II et de Richilde van Peteghem ; demi-soeur d'Alix de Zotteghem, épouse de Sohier d'Enghien) ép. 2) Ide d'Avesnes ´ ~1180 + 23/09 ou 19/10/1217 (fille de Jacques et d'Améline de Guise (ou d'Henri, Châtelain de Mons-en-Havré ?) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IsabelleEnghienMEverardTournai There is confusion concerning the wife or wives of Engelbert [III]. The sources quoted below indicate that Adelaide d'Avesnes was the mother of his oldest son and of his daughter Isabelle, and that Ida was his wife between 1204 and 1215. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) reverses the order of these names, with "Ide d'Avesnes" as his first wife and "Adelive d'Oudenaerden" (sister of "Gisbert Sire d'Audenarde", by whom he was childless) as his second. One possibilityis that Engelbert married only once, his wife being known both as Adelaide and as Ida. No primary source has been identified which indicates that either of his wives was a member of the Oudenaarde family. m [firstly] ADELAIDE d'Avesnes, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise (-[before 1204]). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia?filia?Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto". m [secondly] IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1215). "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged "decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines" to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of "dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonisde Gavre junioris", by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.). "Engelbertus dominus d'Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of "uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo", by charter dated 1215. Engelbert [III] & his [first] wife had two children: SOHIER dþEnghien (-after 13 Jun 1259) ISABELLE dþEnghien (-1218 or after) Engelbert [III] & his [first/second] wife had three children: JACQUES d'Enghien (-[Apr 1222/1223]). HUGUES d'Enghien (-after 17 Jul 1229). ADELUYE dþEnghien (-after 1225). Source: https://gw.geneanet.org/hanro?lang=en&pz=loic+robert+jean+marie&nz=hannaert&p=adelaide+adelheide+ou+ide&n=van+oudenaarde
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Birth source http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf Englebert III d'Enghien ´ ~1160 + 23/02/1244 (teste 03/1225) chevalier, seigneur d'Enghien ép. 1) ~1200 Ide (Adelaïde, Adelheide) d'Audenaerde ´ ~1185 (fille d'Arnould III ou de Gilbert II et de Richilde van Peteghem ; demi-soeur d'Alix de Zotteghem, épouse de Sohier d'Enghien) ép. 2) Ide d'Avesnes ´ ~1180 + 23/09 ou 19/10/1217 (fille de Jacques et d'Améline de Guise (ou d'Henri, Châtelain de Mons-en-Havré ?) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IsabelleEnghienMEverardTournai There is confusion concerning the wife or wives of Engelbert [III]. The sources quoted below indicate that Adelaide d'Avesnes was the mother of his oldest son and of his daughter Isabelle, and that Ida was his wife between 1204 and 1215. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) reverses the order of these names, with "Ide d'Avesnes" as his first wife and "Adelive d'Oudenaerden" (sister of "Gisbert Sire d'Audenarde", by whom he was childless) as his second. One possibilityis that Engelbert married only once, his wife being known both as Adelaide and as Ida. No primary source has been identified which indicates that either of his wives was a member of the Oudenaarde family. m [firstly] ADELAIDE d'Avesnes, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise (-[before 1204]). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia?filia?Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto". m [secondly] IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1215). "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged "decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines" to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of "dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonisde Gavre junioris", by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.). "Engelbertus dominus d'Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of "uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo", by charter dated 1215. Engelbert [III] & his [first] wife had two children: SOHIER dþEnghien (-after 13 Jun 1259) ISABELLE dþEnghien (-1218 or after) Engelbert [III] & his [first/second] wife had three children: JACQUES d'Enghien (-[Apr 1222/1223]). HUGUES d'Enghien (-after 17 Jul 1229). ADELUYE dþEnghien (-after 1225). Source: https://gw.geneanet.org/hanro?lang=en&pz=loic+robert+jean+marie&nz=hannaert&p=adelaide+adelheide+ou+ide&n=van+oudenaarde