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Englebert IV d’ Enghien + Adélaïde van Oudenaarde

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Marriage about 1200

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Birth source http://racineshistoire.free.fr/LGN/PDF/Enghien.pdf Englebert III d'Enghien ´ ~1160 + 23/02/1244 (teste 03/1225) chevalier, seigneur d'Enghien ép. 1) ~1200 Ide (Adelaïde, Adelheide) d'Audenaerde ´ ~1185 (fille d'Arnould III ou de Gilbert II et de Richilde van Peteghem ; demi-soeur d'Alix de Zotteghem, épouse de Sohier d'Enghien) ép. 2) Ide d'Avesnes ´ ~1180 + 23/09 ou 19/10/1217 (fille de Jacques et d'Améline de Guise (ou d'Henri, Châtelain de Mons-en-Havré ?) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#IsabelleEnghienMEverardTournai There is confusion concerning the wife or wives of Engelbert [III]. The sources quoted below indicate that Adelaide d'Avesnes was the mother of his oldest son and of his daughter Isabelle, and that Ida was his wife between 1204 and 1215. Butkens (without citing any primary sources) reverses the order of these names, with "Ide d'Avesnes" as his first wife and "Adelive d'Oudenaerden" (sister of "Gisbert Sire d'Audenarde", by whom he was childless) as his second. One possibilityis that Engelbert married only once, his wife being known both as Adelaide and as Ida. No primary source has been identified which indicates that either of his wives was a member of the Oudenaarde family. m [firstly] ADELAIDE d'Avesnes, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise (-[before 1204]). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "tertia?filia?Adeluya" married "domino de Enghien Engelberto". m [secondly] IDA, daughter of --- (-after 1215). "Ingelbertus de Aenguien et uxor eius Ida" pledged "decime...in tota parrochia et territorio de Herines" to Saint-Aubert abbey, with the consent of "dominorum suorum Egidii de Hallut, Razonisde Gavre junioris", by charter dated Feb 1204 (O.S.). "Engelbertus dominus d'Angien" confirmed "decimæ in parochia de Breges" to "ecclesiæ B. Mariæ in Cantiprato", with the consent of "uxore mea Ida et filiis meis Sigero et Jacobo", by charter dated 1215. Engelbert [III] & his [first] wife had two children: SOHIER dþEnghien (-after 13 Jun 1259) ISABELLE dþEnghien (-1218 or after) Engelbert [III] & his [first/second] wife had three children: JACQUES d'Enghien (-[Apr 1222/1223]). HUGUES d'Enghien (-after 17 Jul 1229). ADELUYE dþEnghien (-after 1225). Source: https://gw.geneanet.org/hanro?lang=en&pz=loic+robert+jean+marie&nz=hannaert&p=adelaide+adelheide+ou+ide&n=van+oudenaarde
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